Jello, I was searching the
internet. I'm sure you love questions that are preambled by that,
and I found some website that had some story
about how Henry Rollins melted a rat on you.
Again, this is what happens when you exaggerate
things on the net. I
was crashing in his apartment one night when I went back to DC with
after a Dead Kennedys east coast tour in '81 and he was still Henry
Garfield then. And when I finally fell asleep as the sun was coming
roommate took Henry's late pet rat, who was in a little milk carton
in the freezer, who was still being mourned, and held the rat over
the water started to melt, so this rat was sort of dripping and
me when I woke.
Yuck. That was the story.
Jello Biafra, who is behind the
September 11th terrorist attacks? Who really is behind it?
Paul from The Diamond Center.
What can you tell me about the Carlisle
It's a shadowy little group that buys up failing defense
and turns the companies around and sells them at a big profit and
people on their so-called board of advisors includes King George
one of his old friends and old Defense Secretary Frank Carlucci,
Ramos, the old President of the Philippines, James Baker - Bush's
campaign dirty trickster who he made Secretary of State. For a long time,
also a substantial investment by the Bin Laden family.
Do you lend any credence
to stories, such as that kid who crashed
that Cessna into that building in Florida that he crashed it to
attention to his dad, who was a member of the CIA?
I suspect he was a troubled kid, mainly. There's
other ways to do that.
How about war? Is force justified
in any means at all, Jello Biafra?
That's a tough one. It depends on the situation.
I mean, on one hand
there's the argument that people should be left alone on the other
there's the argument to wade in a stop slaughters in places like
Kosovo and what we probably should have done in Rwanda. Respecting
people's cultures is well and good, but I draw the line at where
branches of Islam, what they do to women. It's indefensible.
Jello Biafra, do you lend
credence to the story about that this is all for oil again? That
Colin Powell knew before - and you discussed a bit of this tonight
about the invasion of Afghanistan and set up this war - for an oil
I don't know about that. They've said that there's
enough oil under
Kazakhstan that it's bigger than the Saudi Arabian oil field, but
at a map - all you have to do is look at a map and the pipeline
of falls apart because you'd have to put the pipeline through hostile
territory like Afghanistan, Pakistan, etcetera, to run it to the
the Indian Ocean, and you'd have to build it up and over all those
Himalayan peaks and if you build it going west instead of south,
the Caspian Sea and the Black Sea and hostile people there, too,
probably not on the same scale. I don't think it's strictly about
Now, winding up here with
Jello Biafra, Jello, what do you think should happen to your countrymen,
Oh, I think he should be on "Hollywood Squares."
How am I supposed to respond to that?
I though you had a different sign off.
No, we're not quite finished
yet. We're not that "winded" up yet. I was curious, what
was the longest you've spoken for your spoken word?
Five hours plus, maybe. I haven't caught up with
Fidel Castro yet.
I'm not sure I should.
I just want to ask you quickly. Your finding records stories.
I love that story about finding a record in Amoeba Records in Berkeley.
That's amazing. In the washroom of Amoeba. Could you tell the people
about that, Jello Biafra?
Ohh, I was just taking a leak in the Berkeley Amoeba
store and stapled to the wall was an original Ike and Tina Turner
- really heavy R & B album on Sue Records from a long time ago.
Never seen it before, never saw it again. And I thought, could it
be? And I pushed on it and noticed there was a disc inside so I
thought, I wonder. I don't mind beat-up records if it's the only
way I can hear the thing. I have two needles for that purpose, plus
I clean them off pretty good. So I thought, I wonder if I can talk
them out of this. So, I went up to the counter with the staples
still sticking in there: "Would you sell this to me?"
I think they sold it to me for six bucks or something, cleaned it
up, and it plays pretty good.
I loved the way you found that record when you were at
a flea market in Vancouver and you had that guy Ty rip down that
record. What record was that? Some sort of prog record. Do you remember
that one at all?
It was some record that you said, "I want that."
And, sure enough, the record was inside of that.
Usually, the records are inside. That is helpful.
I meant, for decorations, when people put stuff on a wall,
it's unusual that they put the record up as well.
Oh, that one. It turned out to be a disco album.
Aww, damn. Jello Biafra, what's the most you've ever paid
for a record?
Oh, that's classified information, but it's not
all that high. I'm a bottom feeder.
And how about exotica? Have you thought of singing any
exotica? You've done hardcore, you've done punk. Have you sung any exotica?
Not really. There's sort of an open offer to work
with a guy in Los Angeles who does big band and orchestra arrangements
who was at least an acquaintance to Les Baxter before he passed
away. But, I haven't really come up with that kind of material or
the time to really pursue that.
In that book, American Hardcore, they hint that The Middle
Class' record was possibly the first hardcore record ever. What
do you think was the first hardcore punk record was?
Either The Middle Class or Sound of Imker Train
of Doomsday single in the late '60s in Holland. The only true '60s
hardcore record I know.
Just curious - that picture of you and Tammy Faye Baker
on the Alternative Tentacles website. Have you joined the enemy?
You are kissing Tammy Faye Baker there.
Uh, I think she's kissing me.
And did the guys from Agnostic Front ever threaten you?
I got that impression from their interviews.
Do you know where Niki Siki of Sick Pleasure is?
I hope he's not in jail because at one time he was
up on a three strikes offence, but I hope he got out of that.
And what was that guy you were referring to tonight? You
said he was from a northern California anarchist band who had a
BMW and a cushy
That, I'm keeping quiet on. It's not anybody you
would have known.
Well thanks a lot, Jello Biafra. Really appreciate your
time. Anything else you'd like to add to the people out there?
Why should people care about Jello Biafra? Why should people
That's for them to answer. I'm not sure I care sometimes.
And lastly, lastly, lastly Jello Biafra, in retrospect,
was Governor Jerry Brown all that bad?
Well, the ones that came after him certainly made
him look good. He did do some good things. He also made statements
at the time like, "I'll move left and right at the same time.
You watch me." Which he's done as mayor of Oakland, now, too.
The statement that really bothered me at the time was that people
were looking for a leader on a white horse and the strong hint seemed
to be that he was that person, and I was fresh out of a town that
was filled with what now would be called new age yuppies and stuff
who were all getting a little too comfortable and looking for gurus
to tell them what to do and I thought that if a politician ever
grabbed on to that, we were in trouble. Thus, the "California
Uber Alles" song. When Reagan got in, I realized that was much
bigger trouble. So, "We've Got a Bigger Problem Now" was
Thanks very much Jello Biafra. Really appreciate the time. Keep
on rockin' in the free world and doot doola doot doo...
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