So apparently they faked the moon landing. If the moon landing
was faked, how come they didn't include stars in their studio, apparently
in the Nevada desert where they were faking the moon landing?
They could not fake the stars and maps because there are too many
astronomy buffs, and I've talked to a lot of them. They would have measured
the angularity between stars and the position of the stars behind, let's
say, the Earth. No way, even with the most advanced computers, could they
have created star pictures that would have been, let's say, acceptable
to the astronomy buffs. So at MIT, where the simulation took place, the
planning for it took place, they simply decided to stonewall it and not
include any pictures of stars at all.
Where was the moon landing faked? Somewhere in the Nevada desert?
What's the deal on that, Bill Kaysing?
Well it's said that there's an area near Quebec that looks just
like the moon and that the astronauts spent some time up there. They spent
lots of time in the Nevada desert and it looks a great deal like the moon.
But here's the kicker - there's an Air Force base near San Bernardino,
called Norton Air Force Base, and they have the world's largest sound stages
under tremendously efficient security. They could have easily created all
of the moon sets in those sound stages and filmed to their hearts' content.
This was in the Nevada desert.
Well, this was in Norton Air Force Base in San Bernardino, but
they could have done it in the Nevada desert in an area called 51, which
is the north-east corner of the A.E.C. base there.
They have a lot of UFO stuff going on around Area 51.
Oh yeah, 51 is a place where you don't want to be found at all.
All the guards carry submachine guns and they are told to shoot to kill
if anybody gets inside the base.
So continuing on, Mr. Bill Kaysing, author of We Never Went to
the Moon, to prove that the moon landing was faked, you mentioned that
there were no stars in the photos that the astronauts brought back, but
also you mentioned it was impossible for the United States of America to
actually make it to the moon at that time, that there had been some problems,
and that you were involved with the program at this time, so you knew about
Oh yes. One of the major problems, of course, was trying to get
things to work in essentially an alien environment. Outer space is no picnic.
You've got the Van Allen belt around the Earth, you know, about twenty
miles up, the Van Allen belt would probably have cooked any astronauts
who ventured into that area. Then you've got outer space where there are
billions of micro meteorites zipping around at speeds up to 60 000 miles
per hour, and these would have gone right through the command capsule with
the astronauts in it, and kept right on going, and these micro meteorites
are all different sizes, from the head of a pin to, say, the size of a
grapefruit and larger.
Weren't there actual events, though, that happened to NASA that
made them realize they couldn't send somebody to the moon? When did NASA
realize that it was impossible for them to send somebody to the moon and
that they would have to fake the moon landing?
Well, initially, they realized it in 1959 when I was privy to a
study made by the Russians. The Russians discovered that the radiation
on the moon would require astronauts to be clothed in four feet of lead
to avoid being killed. NASA picked up on this study and, of course, did
some studies of their own and, subsequently, other studies were made about
all of the different hazards on the moon, particularly something as benign,
you might think, as temperature. The temperature on the moon during a lunar
day is 250°F. Now, trying to keep either the suits or the lunar lander
cool during that tremendous heat from a blazing sun would have been impossible
because they did not have enough air conditioning power.
So you're saying in 1959, the USA realized that they couldn't
put a man on the moon?
That's when they got hold of the Russian studies. The Russians
never intended to land men on the moon. They concentrated on unmanned vehicles.
And the so-called space race was just a lot of baloney.
Well, Bill Kaysing, what I don't understand is, if NASA realized
they couldn't put a man on the moon in 1959, what about those astronauts
who died in 1967 on the launch pad? Did NASA know that those guys were
going to die on the launch pad? Were they sacrificed to make the space
program more realistic?
Aah...I would say that's - you're pretty close to that. A fellow
by the name of Gus Grissom was very disenchanted with the Apollo program
and he, on the day that he was burned to death, he hung a lemon on the
command capsule to let people know what he thought of it. Prior to that,
he made many trips to the rocket down in Downey Plant to examine the equipment
and he realized that it wasn't going to work. A few minutes before he was
burned to death, he said, hey, you guys in the control center, get with
it. You expect me to go to the moon and you can't even maintain telephonic
communications over three miles. But my theory about Gus Grissom was that
he was about to blow the whistle on the entire project and that he was
What was the intention of those astronauts - what Apollo mission
was that, the one that the guys died in?
That was Apollo 1. Grissom and Chaffee and White, his two companions,
were supposed to take off in the fall of 1967 and go to the moon.
And what did NASA have for that, like, what was going to be the
plan? They were going to actually make it to the moon? That was actually
a moon flight?
Mmm...no. Not really.
What did NASA have planned? If NASA was faking the whole moon
program, what was going to happen to the astronauts , what was their mission?
What was NASA trying to achieve or prove to the public?
Well, by simulating a trip to the moon, they could easily then
justify the $30 billion that they spent. They intended to get Gus Grissom,
and Chaffee and White, to actually lie about their trips to the moon, just
like Armstrong and Aldrin and all the other astronauts here lied about
their trips to the moon. I call astronauts who allegedly landed on the
moon bald-faced liars, and particularly Alan Shephard.
Why is that?
Well, Alan Shephard is one of these particularly obnoxious people.
After Grissom was murdered, he refused to help Grissom's wife, Betty Grissom,
get a settlement from N.A.S.A and from North American Aviation, which she
held responsible. And Shephard didn't approve of this at all. He said that
we should accept the deaths of astronauts and you don't need any money.
So, Bill Kaysing, nobody ever landed on the moon, right, Bill?
That is absolutely correct. I will stake my life on it, and I have
many, many, many people who will support this view with technical information,
including a man who as at the Goldstone tracking station during all of
the Apollo flights and he is absolutely convinced that they were faked.
What, exactly, brought him to this decision?
Well, he realized that all of the input to the Goldstone tracking
station came from NASA in Washington. Well, that certainly made it convenient
for them to fake any communications that they wished. In other words, they
were not picking up data from Apollo on its way to, or on the moon, or
on its way back. They were getting communications from NASA Greenbelt in
Washington, DC, which had complete control of all the communications. And
at this point I'd like to mention that Walter Cronkite was the father figure
that NASA chose to essentially hype the whole project. Cronkite is a rather
Well, he was in on the Kennedy thing, too, wasn't he?
Oh yeah. Recently, he did a film that completely disputed the truth
about the Kennedy assassination.
What I'm still curious about, Bill Kaysing, is that - did NASA
kill those astronauts in 1967, did they kill them on purpose because they
knew too much? Or was it actually an accident that happened?
No, it was no accident. They murdered them because, you see, I
found out just recently that whenever NASA was in trouble they would call
on the CIA No we all know that the CIA has and can kill anybody they want
without any feeling of conscience whatsoever. So it's my feeling that the
CIA was hired by NASA to very adroitly kill Grissom, Chaffee and White.
Let's get a timeline here, Bill Kaysing. You're working here
with Rocketdyne, on the space program?
I was working on the space program from 1957 to 1963.
With probably a lot of ex-Nazis from the Ghelen organization,
Oh, I met some of them. There were a lot of Nazis including, of
course, Werner von Braun. And an interesting sideline is that, after the
Apollo project was over, he completely lost interest in space travel, retired
and went to work for Grumman, then he died of cancer. This also evokes
the recollection that, after Apollo 11 allegedly returned to Earth, three
of the leading NASA investigators resigned without an explanation. Now
this tells you that there were some men of integrity who would not go along
with this scam.
So you're working at the rocket place developing, working for
the space program. You eventually leave the space program. At that point,
did you know that the moon landings were going to be faked. 'Cause you
said in 1959 the USA realized they couldn't put a man on the moon, so they
started faking stuff. Why didn't you spill the beans right then?
Well, I don't know. What motivated me to spill the beans was a
young man from the Vietnam wars by the name of John Grant. He said that
he was sent to Vietnam to kill people with no good reason and he also got
a heroin habit, and he says, "Bill," he says, "what I want
you to do is blow the whistle on this rotten, corrupt government."
He says, "Why don't you say something outrageous, like, we never went
to the moon?" So I attribute my interest in this project to John Grant.
If the moon landings were faked, why did they continue faking
the Apollo flights. Like, in the movie Apollo 13 it points out that nobody
really cared about the space program at that point. You know, America had
made it to the moon, why continue faking moon landings if they already
made it to the moon?
Well, the plan was to have something like eight or ten Apollo flights
to the moon and they had been given the money to build all the vehicles
to do it, and they felt obligated to carry on with the simulation. But
remember this - by the end of Apollo 12 people in America, possibly elsewhere,
were completely bored with the project. So what they thought they would
do, and did, was they would create a cliffhanger. And Apollo 13, which
didn't happen at all, despite the movie, was simply a simulation inside
of a simulation to get people's interests back into the space program.
Apollo 13 was totally faked.
Totally faked. It never left the earth.
The movie that was up for nine Oscars™ never even happened.
It never even happened.
But that guy wrote such a realistic book.
Well, sure. He's paid to write a realistic book. You know, many
of the Apollo astronauts have become multimillionaires. Where do you suppose
all that money came from?
Well, why did they keep faking the Apollo flights, I still don't
understand. Did the Soviet Union know it was faked? Why did they keep shut
up if they knew it was faked? 'Cause a lot of people would think they kept
the moon race going to prove the U.S. was better than the Soviet Union.
If the Soviet Union knew, why did they let the U.S. get away with this?
Well, I'll tell you - at the highest levels there is a coalition
between governments. In other words, the Soviets said, if you won't tell
on us - and they faked most of their space exploration flights - we won't
tell on you. It's as simple as that. See, what Apollo is, is the beginning
of the end of the ability of the government to hoodwink and bamboozle and
manipulate the people. More and more people are becoming aware in the U.S.
that the government is totally and completely public enemy number one.
Well, let's get a little bit more into the proving part of We
Never Went to the Moon, Bill. You mentioned before that there were no stars
in the photos. NASA says the cameras weren't set properly - you say, well,
they could have been set properly, they just didn't do it properly. There
was no crater beneath the lunar lander. What's the significance of that?
Well, the significance is that the lunar lander engine developed
10 000 pounds of thrust and I've seen many, many rocket engines of that
capability in action and they are so powerful that they will move giant
rocks across the canyon. A 10 000 pound thrust engine would have dug a
hole right down to bedrock and it would have stirred up an enormous cloud
of dust, and that never appeared in any of the so-called films that they
took of the lunar landing. So, the absence of the crater in any photograph
of Apollo lunar landers is actually probably the only real proof that you
need. You don't need much beyond that and the fact that there weren't any
What about the operation of the lunar module, in the sense that
it takes place thousands of miles above the moon, this is what NASA says.
The big explosion that comes from the lunar module, when it lands on the
moon, it happens way up above the moon, and that's why there's no crater.
What about that explanation?
Well, you know yourself that the lunar lander eventually had to,
according to NASA, land on the moon. Well, as it approached the landing
point, the engine still had to develop enough thrust to keep the lunar
lander, which weighs, in lunar gravity, about 3000 pounds, they had to
develop enough thrust to keep it floating above the surface in order to
let it gently land on the surface. But that obviously was not substantiated
by any crater under the lunar lander engine.
Furthermore, the radiation should have turned the astro-nots
into crispy space bacon.
Yes, it would have. And it also would have pierced them with thousands
of micro meteorites. The moon is not a place for human beings, ever.
And Russia did a study in about '59, and this is what the U.S.
picked up on, when the U.S. realized in '59 they couldn't go to the moon
because the radiation was so bad - is there any background for this, are
there any records that prove this, about the radiation out there in space?
Well, I think any good astro-physicist could give you all the data,
because it's been pretty well documented by studies. It's not hard to find
basic information on flights in outer space, and what you'd come across
when you do investigate it is how hostile the universe really is once you
leave the Earth's protective atmosphere.
Do you believe that rockets ever made orbit; did Surveyor or
Pioneer actually happen?
Possibly. Possibly not. I'm not absolutely certain about that.
I will concede that certain unmanned vehicles might have made it to the
moon. The Russians are supposed to have sent some unmanned vehicles to
the moon. And possibly our Surveyor did land on the moon. But units with
people in them, never.
How 'bout any actual atmosphere, like John Glenn in space, Yuri
Gargarin - were they actually in space?
I doubt it.
So the Soviet Union faked that Yuri Gargarin was in space, and
that dog that died, Laika, really didn't die?
Mmm...I don't think he was up there. See, there was a fellow by
the name of Lloyd Mallin in the early '70s who wrote a very detailed book
saying that all - well, nearly all - possibly all of the Soviet space exploits
were faked, and he proved it with photographs and technical data and so
forth. I still have a copy of that book.
So continuing on with reasons that we didn't make it to the moon
here - there were various lighting anomalies?
Oh, a lot of lighting anomalies. Some friends from Europe came
over recently and what they did, they're very interested in this project,
they analyzed NASA films supposedly taken on the moon, frame by frame.
And you know what they found out?
What, Bill Kaysing, author of We Never Went to the Moon?
Shadows diverged. In other words, if you have a point source of
light, like the Sun, and you can see this anytime outdoors, all shadows
will parallel - telephone poles, trees, you name it - all the shadows will
be parallel. Well, these men found, in analyzing frame by frame movies,
that there was more than one lighting source for this film. Now that proves
beyond any doubt, in my mind, that these pictures, these motion pictures,
were taken inside of a movie set, using gigantic spotlights to simulate
the Sun. But because they would pan shots and show, like, the Rover or
astronauts running around and so forth, if you analyze them frame by frame,
you find out that the shadows are not parallel. This, to me, is one of
the most significant breakthroughs, and I only learned it about two months
Well how 'bout NASA countering that - they say that in some pictures
astronauts are lit from more than one side because the sunlight is reflected
off the lunar surface, or off the lunar vehicle.
Very unlikely in a vacuum, because light doesn't go around corners
unless it's assisted. If you look at NASA pictures allegedly taken on the
moon, all of the potholes, the little mini craters and so forth, have completely
black shadows. Well, any picture of any device on the moon should have
had completely black shadows where the Sun did not illuminate them.
How about the pictures of the moon where there are curves in
the moon, how did they achieve that if they faked the moon landing, Bill
Oh, well - when I was in Frankfurt, Germany recently I saw about
a six-foot diameter moon, a model, and it was absolutely perfect. So all
the NASA people had to do was create a model of the moon and they could
shoot any curvature they wanted.
Did people see Apollo 11 take off?
Well, yes, certainly.
So what happened, then, if they saw it take off? The rocket took
off - if we didn't go to the moon, what actually happened when Apollo 11
The Apollo 11 vehicle, or Saturn 5, was sent out of people's sight,
and then it was jettisoned into the South Atlantic, where all of the six
that were launched now reside. There were no astronauts, of course, on
board. They were hidden away carefully, to be returned, allegedly in their
command capsule, by being dumped out of a C5A transport plane. It was easy
to do all of this, because they had total control of everything.
So they were not on the rocket when it took off, then?
No, they were not.
And then they were picked up - now, you talked to a pilot who
saw all this happen?
Yes, a pilot came on the air when I was doing a broadcast and he
says, "Bill, I agree with you 100%. I was flying from San Francisco
to Tokyo and I saw, along with several passengers, a command capsule dropped
out of a C5A and the red-and-white candy-striped parachutes opened and
it descended to the surface of the ocean."
And what happened then?
Well, they were of course picked up and put into biological suits
so they wouldn't afflict anybody with moon germs, but my theory on that
is they couldn't tell these big bald-faced lies this early. So they were
actually kept from the press for approximately a month until they could
sort of reconcile themselves with telling a lot of big lies.
No, but I'm just curious, Apollo 11 takes off, the rocket dumps
in the South Atlantic - what happens then, are the astronauts just hiding
somewhere, and then eventually they get on a plane and jump out of the
plane and they've landed - that was it?
That is correct.
No moon involved at all.
No moon involved at all. I am 100% positive of this, and every
day when I get information from people who support my views, I'm more convinced
How did they make the astronauts float, Bill Kaysing, 'cause
it seems pretty convincing when you seen them floating around there. Like,
a lot of people when you say, "hey, you know, we never went to the
moon", they went, "I saw it! I saw them floating there! I saw
them on the moon right there!"
Well, that could have been done just like they did the Broadway
play Peter Pan. In other words, [they] used wires and suspended the astronauts
from an overhead crane and had them leap gaily across what actually was
a moon set. No, it's not difficult to show astronauts taking big leaps,
nor is it difficult, for example, to put them in a simulated command capsule
and have them go through an anti-gravity curve.
Another point here is that the moon rocks were fake. Are the
moon rocks real?
No, they are not real. NASA has a well-developed ceramics laboratory
with high-temperature ovens-
That's another way NASA could prove they went to the moon, 'cause
they brought back these rocks. Interestingly enough, at the University
of British Columbia here, David Strangway, the President of U.B.C., was
the guy in charge of inspecting the moon rocks.
OK, fine, why don't you call him up and ask him what he thinks
So what happened, the moon rocks were not real?
No, they were manufactured on Earth to look like moon rocks, but
since nobody has any moon rocks to compare them with, it's very simple
to make up a moon rock and say, hey, this came from the moon.
Well, how would you know it is a moon rock? Like, how do you
know it's not a moon rock - how do you know it's a fake?
I had a Seattle geologist who examined moon rocks and he said,
"There's no question, Bill, that these rocks were made in a laboratory
The actual astronauts had strange language as well. I know this
from your book and also some other articles, like Houston Control said,
"Well, it's a good show", and then the command service module
replied, "Fantastic", and then Armstrong replied, "Yeah,
I'll second that." Like, well, it's a good show. That was interesting
Yes, and you can find a little more of that in an article published
in a magazine called Wired, published in September of 1994. [It's a] 4000-word
article by Rogier van Bakel, essentially on my contentions.
Bill, has anybody ever seen the studio that this was faked in?
'Cause it's in Area 51, which you alluded to. It was also alluded to in
the films Diamonds are Forever and Capricorn One?
Yes, that's right. They did allude to the sound stage, or the hidden
moon set. No, the reason no one has ever seen it and come out alive is
that they don't intend for anybody to see it and come out alive. You’ve
got to remember that NASA is kind of a lethal organization. Jim Irwin -
Apollo 15 - was put up to blowing the whistle on the whole project and
he called me up, ostensibly to give me the facts. Few days later he died
of a heart attack. Now what does that tell you?
Well, a lot of people died when dissing NASA What's the significance
of the Baron Report?
Oh, that's profound. A man named Thomas Ronald Baron was an inspector
on Pad 34, where Grissom, Chaffee and White were murdered. He brought forth
a 500-page report on the mismanagement, the incompetence of NASA and North
American [Aviation]. And again, like Jim Irwin, a few days after he testified
before the Congressional Investigating Committee, he was found dead in
his car at a railroad crossing. Now what does that tell you?
A lot of people got knocked off.
NASA and the CIA and the whole U.S. government is a rotten and
corrupt organization, designed just to get all the tax money they can out
of people, to manipulate their minds, to keep them amused with sporting
events and silly TV sitcoms. We, unfortunately, in the U.S. are pretty
well brainwashed, believing whatever the government says. And they have
control, as you well know, of the media.
How much space stuff since 1959 has been real? What space stuff
is real today? Did the Challenger blow up? Did NASA know it would blow
Yeah, and you know why it blew up? Because Christa McAuliffe, the
only civilian and only woman aboard, refused to go along with the lie that
you couldn't see stars in space. So they blew her up, along with six other
people, to keep that lie under wraps. I claim that Christa McAuliffe was
So when the Challenger blew up, it wasn't because of O-ring problems,
it was because NASA murdered the people because they didn't want to go
along with the gags?
Well, Christa McAuliffe was a woman of great integrity, and she
would not agree to say that you couldn't see stars in space.
So, Bill Kaysing, are you saying that Roberta Bondar, Canada's
first women astronaut, never actually made it in space, 'cause she was
on the Shuttle.
Well, I'll tell you what - the Shuttle is a possibility. After
all, it's low altitude. I haven't done a great deal of research on the
Shuttle, but several people have said that the Shuttle is actually faked,
So Christa McAuliffe refused to say that she couldn't see stars
in space, which would have verified the moon landing claim of no stars
in the photos in the moon, so they blew her up.
Yeah, exactly. Once you start telling lies, you've gotta keep on
going. And then, of course, you try to cover up lies, like the film Apollo
Which, I'm sure, is not on your favorite flicks list for this
I've seen it, and I examined it very carefully, and I found a tremendous
anomaly in it. They show the exhaust of the lunar lander model engine as
being a yellow-gold. Well, the fuels used on the lunar module were nitrogen
tetroxide and asymmetrical dimetal hydrazine, which produce an opaque red
gas. So their technical experts on Apollo 13 weren't really with it.
So, who else is gonna get murdered, what else is coming up? What's
the future? What is real that's in space that we can see out there, Bill
Well, I would say this, that the number of people that believe
my version of Apollo are increasing in great numbers. I had a fellow come
up from LA He borrowed all of my papers, materials, video and film and
so forth, went back and did an hour-and-a-half tape on We Never Went to
the Moon. The book is being translated into German and Italian in Europe.
I've had inquiries from Australia, from Hawaii, from essentially all over
the world. And all of them are highly supportive and have given me a lot
of brand-new information which I never knew before. So my feeling is that,
within a short time, the Apollo hoax will be exposed and that will open
Pandora's box. After that, the U.S. government is going to be hard-pressed
to keep the lies about the Federal Reserve Bank, about the IRS being the
Gestapo of America, about the fact that all silver was taken out of circulation
in 1963, the fact that Canada does not import our meat because it's so
full of rotten chemicals. I'm sure you knew that. The Canadians are pretty
smart, because they don't import American meat. So, you see, in this country,
we're at the short end of things because of the corruption of the government.
There are some people who believe that the moon landing was faked
because the U.S. government didn't want to disclose that they'd been on
the moon since 1910!
No. My feeling is that no human being has ever landed on the moon,
because of the lethal environment on the surface.
How do you deal with people who you're trying to convince? Isn't
it like trying to convince people that the Earth is flat? How do you distinguish
yourself with these people, Bill Kaysing?
Well, it's easy. I've got the proof. I've got the photographs,
which are available to anybody. All it takes is some study. If you look
at the pictures taken of Aldrin by Armstrong, you can find so many mistakes
in those photographs that anybody in his right mind would realize, just
by those photos alone, that they were faked.
Well, how did the media fall for this?
Well, the media doesn't fall for anything. The media is controlled
by the government. The Dutch papers on July 21  said that the moon
landing was a hoax, was a fake, and I have been unable to find any of those
Dutch papers, although it's well documented that they did publish information,
with proof, that the U.S. was spoofing everybody.
Didn't the National Inquirer have stuff, too?
Well, I did send some of my material to one of their subsidiaries,
called The Weekly World News, and they did a marvelous job of presenting
my material. It was extremely accurate. So, I've been in newspapers, I've
been on Oprah Winfrey's show, and quite a number of leading television
What did Oprah want from you?
Well, she wanted me to talk about the moon book. I did that July
5, 1981 in Baltimore, Maryland.
Have you ever talked to any astronauts at all?
Oh yes. I've talked to Edwin 'Buzz' Aldrin. I was invited to appear
on CBS television in Los Angeles with Colonel Aldrin. And they called him
up, and he wouldn't appear with me. So I called him up, and I said, "Buzz,
why don't you appear with me?" And his exact words were, "That
is something I do not want to do," and he hung up. Now if, in reality,
they had gone to the moon, wouldn't they put me on the air with a genuine
astronaut, and let me debate with him. You've got to remember, too, that
Neil Armstrong has not given more than three interviews since he allegedly
returned from the moon. A friend of mine went to see him, to question him,
and he not only refused to talk to him, he said, "If you hang around
my farm much longer, I'll call the police." Now, here's the most famous
man of the twentieth century, Neil Armstrong, allegedly set foot on the
moon, July 21, 1969 - why won't he talk about it?
Maybe he's just tired of talking about it.
No, he couldn't be tired of talking about it, because it's his
duty and obligation to be a national hero. He took NASA’s money, he was
supported by the government for many, many years, and here he is, in a
position of, let's say, talking about Apollo in a very convincing way,
but he won't talk at all. Now, he lives on a farm in Ohio, near Columbus.
Anybody can find his address and go see him.
Bill Kaysing, you've been trying to prove that we never went
to the moon for twenty years now. What new information have you garnered?
Well, as I said, most recently the divergent shadows. Ralph Rene
has done a very comprehensive study on temperatures on the moon. He's proved
that, in no way could the lunar lander, where Aldrin and Armstrong slept,
have been cooled down, because they did not have the power. What's happening
now is that a lot of technical information is coming on stream. Also, I'm
on the Internet, and my book's on the Internet, and I'm now getting 'phone
calls from many different people who believe in my contention that Apollo
was a hoax, and they have contributed a lot to the body of information
that I have managed to acquire.
Is there any way of going to the Smithsonian in Washington and
looking at the stuff and seeing that it is fake?
Oh, yeah. One of my friends went to the Smithsonian and he measured
the exit door of the lunar lander and found out that astronauts wearing
their life-support systems could not have gone out that door, they were
And all this was faked somewhere in the desert.
Well, either in the desert and/or Norton Air Force Base. I suspect
that a lot of the real fine photography and action was done at Norton,
where they were able to create what appeared to be solar lighting. That
was one of the most difficult things to do, was to simulate the Sun, 'cause
the Sun's light is so glaring, so powerful, that it would have taken a
tremendous arc lamp to simulate the Sun. And they could have actually created
a vacuum inside the sound stage. See, if you have $30 billion, it's no
problem to do just about anything you want, including murder people, eliminate
anybody who comes on stream and tells opposing stories. I have been invited
to talk on radio many times, and I have been immediately discredited.
In what sense?
Well, for example, Chuck Ashman in LA called me and he said, "I
understand you say we never went to the moon." And I said, "Yes,
and here's my proof." Well, he clicked me off and said, "Well
this is what I call an irresponsible journalist, a man who has no real
proof that we didn't go to the moon, but he's running around telling people
that it was all a hoax."
Are there any other points that we haven't [covered] here today,
Bill Kaysing, about not making to the moon, more proof?
Well, I think we've covered the very important general ones. There
are a lot of details. For example, Edwin Aldrin, when he came back from
his alleged trip to the moon, wrote a book called Return to Earth. Well,
I've read the book three times, and in it we find a man who is trying desperately
to tell the truth, but he's unable to. In other words, they put the wraps
on him, they told him, don't ever talk about the moon as a fake. But an
interesting thing happened to Aldrin when he was speaking at Edwards Air
Force Base to some of his fellow pilots, he was asked by a TV interrogator,
"What was it like to be on the moon?" And Edwin Aldrin at that
point could not answer that question. he began shaking and trembling, he
walked off the stage into an alley and later got drunk. Now, if you'd done
something, honestly and truthfully, you can talk about it without any problems.
Well, it was obvious that, here was an occasion when Aldrin could not tell
that lie one more time.
Have you been threatened at all, Bill Kaysing.
Oh, death threats and letters with skull and crossbones on them.
I've been called a Commie sympathizer, a traitor to the United States.
Many things have happened to me. One time I was on KOME radio doing a three-hour
show, and half-way through the show someone dropped napalm on the transmitter
in the Gilroy Hills. They wanted to cut our story off. Police came, they
offered us police protection, and KOME was off the air for three days until
they could a quarter of a million dollars' damage.
Boy, Americans really care about the moon landing, don't they?
Oh yeah. Well, it's like Pearl Harbor. They managed to cover up
the truth at Pearl Harbor since December 7, 1941. Everybody that was in
W.W.II, including me, knows that the Japanese were set up to do it. In
fact, some people told me that two shiploads of gold were sent to Japan
to finance Pearl Harbor, they were sent by the British. So the British
wanted us involved in the war and Pearl Harbor seemed like a good way to
So the Americans bribed the Japanese into bombing Pearl Harbor?
Yes, and Roosevelt not only knew about the attack, he helped arrange
it, and he suppressed the information about the Japanese attacks from Kimmel
and Short, the naval and army commanders at Pearl Harbor. This was one
of the biggest hoaxes perpetrated by the U.S. government to get us involved
in a deadly war. There's no question that it was all set up.
If people want to get a hold of you, Bill Kaysing, what is your
PO Box 832, Soquel, CA, 95073 and I would be happy to correspond
with Canadians about these subjects at length.
Why should people care about the moon landing, Bill Kaysing,
why should people care that the moon landing was faked?
Well, I think we should care because it proves that the U.S. government
is just a body politic of lies and falsehoods. They have been for many,
many years on all of the important subjects. Social Security is bankrupt,
the food in America is all weak poisons, people are put under the thumb
of the IRS There are so many things wrong with the U.S. Now, don't get
me wrong, I don't dislike the people - it's the government that I call
public enemy number one.
Anything else you'd like to add to the people out there?
Well, I'll say this - whether you believe my story or not, go to
the library in your spare time and take a look at some N.A.S.A books and
study the photographs, use your own intelligence to analyze them and see
that they could not have been taken on the moon. That's the number one
All right, Bill, keep on rocking in the free world and doot doodle
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